_Witness_
- Stephen Johnson, Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
10:53 Inhofe is attacking a
statement
made by the president of the American Council on Renewable Energy. This
is so typical of these hate-filled people. I was called a traitor by one
of the extreme left. See if it’s appropriate to be a part of this
organization. “It is my intention to destroy your career as a liar. I
will launch a campaign against you. Go ahead guy, take me on.” The
waiver request strikes me as a backdoor effort, though I need some
education on this, to usurp the Congress’s role in setting
CAFE standards. If a handful of states are
able to come up with standards different from the United States, what
will happen to CAFE standards?
Johnson There are two sections of the Clean Air Act: Section 209,
for California waiver petitions. There are three conditions if any are
triggered to deny the petition. Section 202 deals with mobile sources.
Inhofe It’s very elaborate what the law requires you to do. I think
you have done your job. How can California assess the
CAFE standards to be so radically different
from the Department of Transportation’s estimation?
CARB requires about 44 MPGs and 27 MPGs for
trucks. Don’t you think the federal regulators know more about it than
CARB? How can CARB’s
mistaken feasibility assessment be corrected?
Johnson There is a case before the 9th Circuit. In the meantime we
are continue to review and evaluate voluminous and unprecedented
comments on the waiver.
11:01 Lautenberg I think you’re wrong on this issue. It amounts to
footdragging.
Johnson I don’t believe it is legal for me to lobby any member of
Congress. I think it is good for members of Congress to talk with each
other. The responsibility to make a decision lies solely with me.
Lautenberg We’re talking about a forever delay here. Eighteen months
while the air is pollution, despite Sen. Inhofe’s disbelief climate
change is happening. He called it a hoax. We have hoax floods and hoax
droughts and hoax hurricanes and hoax tornadoes. Mr. Johnson, the one
thing I don’t want to see happen is the demise of our automobile
industry. But it ought not be juxtaposed with the threat of climate
change. This footdragging is unacceptable. Is it true that the request
for the waiver has been in for eighteen months?
Johnson The waiver request came in December 2005. In February of
2007 we informed California that we were going to await the Supreme
Court decision.
Lautenberg Those details are irrelevant to the urgency of climate
change.
Johnson I agree that there is an urgency to deal with the voluminous
comments. Climate change is a very serious issue and we have a
responsibility to deal with this in a timely and deliberate fashion.
There are still thousands of comments. We just received 800 pages from
California. It takes time for our staff to do a thorough review.
Lautenberg Why don’t we see the urgency to do something about
climate change? Can you imagine that California is trying to delay this?
Boxer California is going to sue to get action.
11:12 Lautenberg If this was a fire, action would be taken. We are
facing lots of dangerous situations. Any delays put our society at risk.
I urge you to try and expedite this waiver request.
11:14 Carper I want you to fully respond to my request.
Johnson Thank you for your leadership. I want to apologize for any
miscommunication.
11:24 Boxer These thirteen states want to do it yesterday.
11:30 Boxer The EPA’s job is to protect
the public health and welfare. Is the Bush administration opposed to
granting the waiver?
Johnson We’re going through a very deliberate process.
Boxer Is the administration opposed to granting this waiver?
Johnson The administration recognizes the responsibility to make an
independent decision.
Boxer The DOT was calling members of
Congress attacking the waiver. Is it appropriate for the administration
to lobby Congress against the waiver?
Johnson I respectfully defer to the Department of Transportation.
Boxer You are responsible for the health and welfare of the people
of this country. You sit here and can’t condemn that this administration
has been lobbying Congress against this waiver.
Johnson I’m not responsible for the DOT. I
defer to the DOT.
Boxer If you defer you say that you think it’s okay.
Johnson I defer to the DOT.
Boxer Since we know members of DOT were
actively lobbying members of Congress, were you aware this was going on?
Johnson I told the secretary of the DOT I
was inclined not to grant an extension.
Boxer That’s not my question.
Johnson I described my awareness in my conversation with the
secretary of the DOT.
Boxer Did you try to stop the DOT from
soliciting opposition?
Johnson My responsibility is not to the
DOT.
Johnson I’m good, but I’m not that good to oversee every email in
the DOT. I did not see a script;
Boxer You did not know they were lobbying Congress.
Johnson I only talked with her about talking with her constituency.
Boxer Who’s her constituency? She’s not an elected official.
Johnson There are members of Congress and governors who are
particularly interested in transportation issues.
Boxer Your constituency is the American people. I believe this
administration has already decided not to grant this waiver. My belief
is there’s going to be hiding behind this executive order. Now you’re
using the comments, most of which are form letters in favor of the
waiver, as an excuse. You’ve said nothing to condemn what the
DOT did. Your job is to protect my
constituents and the rest of the country. I couldn’t be more
disappointed. We’re going to keep the pressure on. Thank you very much
and we stand adjourned.
Senate Environment and Public Works Committee
406 Dirksen
26/07/2007 at 10:00AM